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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

Thank you for this. I cannot tell you how many times I've stated the fact that Marx made no distinction between socialism and communism and used them interchangeably. I've written that over and over in various articles. Yet people have this strange idea that socialism is just making things more fair. It's bizarre. Thanks again Diana!

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Thanks Diana. Interesting topic. I remember having an argument with my girlfriend in law school in which I asserted that socialism was an economic theory and communism a political theory, and she asserted the opposite. That's an indication of the popular confusion.

I think what makes them essentially equivalent is that in the practical realm in the US, communists never admit they are communsts. They never have, except maybe in the late teens and early twenties when the police did a number on them. They call themselves socialists or progressives. For example, Mandemi--who calls himself a democratic socialist but approvingly quotes Antonio Gramsci, the Italian communist theorist. Also, as a practical matter, and I think you indicated this, in the U.S. the progressives, socialists, and communists will always rally together on any important issue against all others. And the media will always guffaw when some politican is labeled a communist (witness the AP's treatment of Trump's speech on communism), and then start wringing their hands over the McCarthy era.

Theoretically, communism is often identified as the most radical brand of socialism, involving revolution, violence, and terroristic repression. To some extent this is indicated in the Communist Manifesto itself, wherein Marx and Engels identify numerous forms of socialism that are derided as essentially bourgeois. In 1892 Engels wrote that "we could not have called it a socialist manifesto." He said that socialism "signified a bourgeois movement, communism, a working-class movement." Socialism was respectable, whereas communism was not. This difference played out to some extent in the Russian Revolution(s) of 1917, initially a bourgeois revolution and then a hard core coup d'etat by the Bolsheviks. Socialists are thus associated to some extent with representative democracies, whereas communism is an oligarchy tending to total dictatorship by one man. Also, I think there is a notion in communist theory that true communism is the ultimate utopian society (i.e., the most socialistic), which is attained progressively, whereas everything preceding it is some form of lesser socialism.

I agree that these theoretical differences matter little in the US compared to the practical realities. And since lying is part and parcel of the leftist way of doing business, the only thing we know for sure when a politician identifies himself as a progressive or socialist is that they want to curtail our freedom and take our private property. Maybe or maybe not they want a totalitarian government based on terroristc repression.

I also agree that as a society we were in a better place when we had institutional opponents of communism, such as the HUAC and the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee. When Eisenhower destroyed McCarthy out of a personal pique, he also did great damage to the cause of anti-communism, leading to the demise of the congressional committees. But then he and Marshall rose to power at the knee of FDR, who thought that Uncle Joe Stalin was our friend.

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